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(All this referring to the Kazan based Idel-Ural separatist government
in c. 1918, and unrelated to the Idel-Ural
panturkic flag.)
António Martins, 01 May 2000
It was the end of the dream of recreating, also partially only,
the State of the Golden Horde (Altin Ordu). It was to be a free
federation of Turkic and Ugro-Finnic peoples of Volga-Ural Region,
still remembering the glory of the Golden Horde. In 1920, against the
wishes of at least Tatars and Bashkirs, the Soviets split all those
nations into separate administrative units — divide and conquer.
Chris Kretowicz, 02 Jun 2001
"Idel", by the way, means "Volga" in a number of
Turkic languages:
"Ӑтал | Ătal", in Chuvash;
"İdil", in (Anatolian / Ottoman) Turkish;.
António Martins, 01 May 2000 and 22 Jan 2005
The blue flag with the tamga (originally the
Mongol branding mark, later heraldic device of
Tatar and related nobility) was the unifying
symbol of all those nations derived from the Golden Horde.
Chris Kretowicz, 02 Jun 2001
The flag is light blue with the tamga on the upper fly;
the original image shows
a pole with a typical Tatar finial clearly indicating where’s the hoist.
But… considering that the upper fly is the least visibility corner of a
flag (obviously it is so on every cultures — wind and cloth dynamics is the
same everywhere), could this image be a spurious reconstruction from a cloth
only design showing the upper right hand side intended as the hoist
(because of Muslim tradition) and not as the fly?…
António Martins, 05 Jun 2001
Blue flag with golden tamga — the same description fits
the Crimean Tatar flag, but the
tamga is differently shaped and differently positioned.
António Martins, 22 Dec 2002
There are no records of the blue flag before the 1933 book "Idel-Ural" by
Gayaz Iskhaki. To my mind, he simply took inspiration from Crimea Tatars. The
real logo of Idel-Ural can be seen on top of the
1918 proclamation, but there is no information about the flag. I'm sorry.
That proclamation is the only authentic source of symbols of Idel-Ural I could
find. I found several photos dealing with 1918 events, but none of them show any
flag. I would even speculate that Idel-Ural flag in 1918 could be red because
Idel-Ural was then intended to be a Soviet Republic.
Currently, my suggestion
is to have only red flag 8 Nov 1917-6 Aug 1918
Janis Lasmanis, 20
January 2019