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A photo at
the RSGYC actually flies an Irish Yacht Ensign
(possibly defaced with the club badge although not identified on our page).
Christopher Southworth, 3 February 2006
image by Clay Moss, 5 October 2007
Also used for the
Royal Windermere Yacht Club. If I'm not mistaken I believe
we collectively agreed that the Windermere ensign also once served the Royal St.
George Yacht Club in Ireland.
Clay Moss, 23 February 2006
The crown was moved to the fly in 1895, so a Tudor crown would not have
appeared in the Union canton.
David Prothero, 26 February 2006
As I understand it, the crown appeared in the Union canton until 1895. I
assume, therefore, that this would have been the Victorian crown with the "flat"
arches. In 1895, this crown would have migrated to the fly and would have been
superseded by the "Tudor" crown in 1902 or so. This, in turn, would have been
replaced by the current St. Edward's crown in 1952 or thereabouts. I assume,
too, that this is still the position today.
Peter Johnson, 27 February 2006
Does a modern Irish YC really fly a defaced Red Ensign? Not only is that
implausible for political/national pride reasons, I would have thought that it
would also be illegal, since the yachts presumably would be Irish registered. Or
would the defaced Red Ensign be a purely ceremonial/historical flag and never
used at sea?
André Coutanche, 3 February 2006
A member of the Royal St George Yacht Club who is British and has a British
registered yacht is entitled to apply for a special British ensign, in this case
a Red Ensign defaced by a crown on the fly.
David Prothero, 3 February 2006
The R St. George YC is listed on the
Navy List as being eligible to have its
qualified members apply for warrants to fly the Red Ensign defaced with the club
badge, which is the Royal Crown. As with other British special yacht ensigns,
the club member must own a British-registered yacht. While this may seem to be
an unlikely situation for a club situated in a country outside the Commonwealth,
given the provisions of the Republic of Ireland Act, 1949 (UK), there were
greater opportunities for citizens of the Irish Republic to access the British
register than others as they were still accorded privileges of Commonwealth
citizens. So access to the British registry by Irish members would not be
unknown, and any such yachts would wear British colours. Of course, this is not
to deny the existence of the Irish register and its predominance among the
Irish; the British register is simply an option.
In addition to the British ensign, the R St. George YC ("the George") has adopted (perhaps been granted by the Minister of the Marine) an Irish yacht ensign, which is navy blue, with the Irish tricolour in the first quarter, and with a depiction of the Crown in red in the fly. This is an Irish version -- albeit in blue, not red -- of the club's special British Red Ensign. The samples I have seen depict the Crown in a solid red colour (not in its full natural colours, as it is on the British ensign), but otherwise, the pattern of the two flags resemble each other.
James Liston, 9 April 2006
image by Clay Moss, 23 February 2006
If I am reading their history page correctly,
www.rsgyc.ie/about/history/default.asp, the image here is the yacht ensign
of the Royal St. George Yacht Club.
Clay Moss, 3 February 2006
image by Graham Bartram, 21 March 2011
The Dumpy Book of Ships and the Sea (1957)
shows the burgee red with a white cross, with a crown over its centre.
James Dignan, 12 February 2008
The burgee – as stated on the club website:
“the Burgee was red with a white cross with a crown at the centre. This, of course, is the St. George's Cross, and is quite possibly the reason why, in 1847, the Club became The Royal St. George's Yacht Club, although this has never been established”. Inverted colours, though.
Graham Bartram shows a Tudor crown, logically the previous version, whereas the club offers the item with a St Edward’s crown (near end of page): http://www.rsgyc.ie/social/shop. Both crowns fit neatly into the centre of their crosses in contrast with, for instance, the 1923 edition French Album showing shows a more prominent item, the 1928 German Flaggenbuch less so.
Jan Mertens, 21 March 2011
The note “This ensign is sometimes made with a navy blue field” is of course
very appropriate as such a version may be seen on the photo gallery
(Christopher) links to, see under “Club Staff Party 2010 – 14th June”. Alas, the
fly end remains hidden:
The various galleries may hide a good picture of the current Irish ensign – to
be explored, but in the meantime this
http://www.pixelated.ie/news/detail/royal_st._george_yacht_club shows a dark
blue field, St Edward’s crown in natural colours.
Jan Mertens, 29 March 2011